Regarding sending out new believers to heal people, I dont see the parallels to that in the New Testament. There is nothing wrong with being cautious and asking questions. Like just maybe he wants His fire burning, and not that of others? I love HIM even more. But it seems there is a lot of cynicism out there. Brown brings a word of courage and hope and then speaks with imprisoned Christian leader Torben Sonderagard live.Dr. And guess what happened? He has started a prison ministry and oversees a team of believers that are hosting their own separate Bible studies. If we do that then we would start to veer off the road towards the ditch. I agree that Christ is the focus, and that He is the key actually (Key of David) and also that the Holy Spirit is our guide and teacher, amen. Final thought to underline what I wrote earlier. Previous Comments: Please read all previous comment pages if there are any. To your credit, you were honest and admitted as such. Sndergaard has been held in a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) jail, the Baker County Facility, in MacClenny, Florida, since the arrest. I mean lets get serious now, how many of you reading this article thought to yourself, why do they get this gift and I dont? Redacted government documents surrounding his arrest can be viewed here at friendsoftorben.com. John spoke of this again in 1Jo 5:8 Torben has been in jail since his arrest when authorities shackled him hand and foot like a terrorist. Any unforgiveness or unhealed wounds of the heart that the scriptures command that we be SANCTIFIED from; HEALED from; PURIFIED from..GIVE THE DEVIL LEGAL ACCESS TO TORMENT AND ATTACK US. Andrew, I am very disappointed that I come here with what I think is grace and humility attempting to speak from Gods word, and yet the response is more name calling and calling me to repentance. Please take a look. It might seem like a small thing but faith is built in little steps. If Bill truly is of God, he has a lot of very strange and new age things he is allowing to take place in his church. A bad tree CAN NOT bear good fruit nor can a good tree bear bad fruit. They will walk into a childrens hospital and clear it out, even patients who had chemo for cancer will have their hair grow back. The MOLECULES in Jesus body dis-assembled and went through a wall and then re-assembled. Torben Sndergaard was born in 1976 in a non-christian family. I am limiting my comments to the specific issue raised above of whether Bill Johnson believes in the Divinity of Christ which he does which makes him our brother in the Lord , I am not going there with respect to your previous question about your friend . A wooden staff that turns into a snake. Amen watchful that is exactly my hope and prayer.. . Youre right on that. Roger yes this has been going on perpetually but there are seasons in history where this ordinary supernatural normal hits the mainstream of the populace and other seasons where it wins and is obscured to small pockets. Jesus died for US and it was done perfectly! Boy! All I was doing was pointing out that the video evidence alone doesnt prove what it purports to prove. I think the scripture says THEY BELIEVED. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Thats why the only way is to flee temptation, flee the limelight. Paul said with a loud voice, Stand upright on your feet. And he leaped up and began to walk. Read what Jesus Christ had to say (RIGHT FROM HIS OWN LIPS) about it here: Mar 9:38 KJV And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils IN THY NAME, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. It needs to be the Holy Spirit enlightening our eyes with His keys for interpreting His Word. It is so much harder to believe for healing when you see the sickness in a person everyday. And full gospel is exactly what you will see Torbens Last Reformation is all about as he takes bits and pieces from every so called Christian doctrine and mingles them together. Torben Sondergaard is paired with his delightful wife, Lene Sondergaard. Torben himself said we NEVER feel anything, but didnt Jesus feel something when the power of God flowed from Him into the woman who had the issue of blood? He is SUPERNATURAL AND MYSTERIOUS. I have just posted a brief video (above) where Torben discusses the amazing things that happen when this is done. No. Thedude said, Share on facebook. Perhaps, those who are calling BURN THE WITCHES ought to actually STUDY the scriptures about how the BIBLE DEFINES sorcery and witchcraft..because whatever CURSE one speaks against the works of the Holy Spirit is actually turned back on the one who speaks the CURSE, AS A JUDGMENT OF GOD. He told the story that immediately after he was born again, he read the scripture saying to lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. b) to fear, be afraid He said the hardest part is being separated from his wife and children. I believe God is Sovereign and all things happen for a reason, as i came to this site after looking up Leon du Preez( Thanks again), but just when i wanted to share that post, i found this one. It says He was manifested (incarnated) to take away our sins while there was no sin in Him. I believe the purpose of Torbens video is to show how to make disciples, take them out on the street to pray and witness. Rev 13:13 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. This is not a one time event this is continuous. (2 Corinthians 5:19 NASB), O taste and see that the LORD is good; How blessed is the man who takes refuge in Him! Die letzte Reformation (berarbeitete Neuausgabe 2020) - Buch (Paperback) von Sndergaard, Torben | GloryWorld-Medien | Besuchen Sie uns online unter www.buchhaus.ch oder in einer unserer Buchhandlungen. always been very clear that true healings, prophecies, dreams, And He asked them, What are you discussing with them? And one of the crowd answered Him, Teacher, I brought You my son, possessed with a spirit which makes him mute; and whenever it seizes him, it slams him to the ground and he foams at the mouth, and grinds his teeth and stiffens out. Jesus healed in the synagogue too. i We are seeing a hunger and thirst for God even though people dont even know what theyre hungry for. Every time they went in to repair damage it was already healed. We need to be discerning in love, yet remain true to Gods Word. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. We are also men of the same nature as you, and preach the gospel to you that you should turn from these vain things to a living God, WHO MADE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH AND THE SEA AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM. One one scripture the practice is built by many churches and the fact of doing something based one scripture is itself against the Word that requires 2 or 3 witnesses. Sndergaard claims to receive visions of Heaven and Hell directly from God. John 6:15 Share on telegram. You know where I think people get this idea.from watching TV evangelists. 2:11. Jda016, you are absolutely right on in your discernment above..it is witchcraft. Our household is transformed, and being renewed daily by the Holy Spirit of Grace, by witch we are saved through faith in Jesus Christ our Lord. Jonathan Yet another person who watched the first 30 seconds of the video and ignored the rest. Christs church is not some debate club and we must then try to win the debate. cynics, skeptics, squashers of joy, etc.). forward into the True thing. The ENEMY comes as an angel of Light..and copies the same MIRACLES that Jesus did. A new Jesus one who never calls for self denial, who is more hyper spiritual than he is authentically human. I say Thank God that He is NOT a comfortable little idol that fulfills mankinds desires, dreams, and PERFORMS according to mankinds EXPECTATIONS. He may think he is, but it may be otherwise. Im actually surprised the way Andrew responded. The manna that came down from heaven.miraculously. God is doing a work in all believers. I conclude by re-stating that it is 100% biblical to test the spirits and those who want to engage in name calling are not willing to honestly test what they are seeing. It is the It is actually part and parcel of the Hebrew Roots Movement as well, all bound together in a nice Roman Catholicpurple ribbon. `And beginning with Moses & with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the scriptures.` Andrew J, at least you dont call Bill Johnson a cancer on the Body of Christ! 1Co 10:1-4 Israelites passing through the see(Baptized unto Moses). I have just posted Guess most like the overblown antics that most of todays healers/preachers do. He said no weapon FORMED against us will prosper and yet I can only think of one weapon that has been formed from the beginning, and that is the carnal mind, leaving me to understand that no carnal mind formed against us will prosper. God is everywhereeven in the news. In his absorption, he had not observed that anything had taken place in me. Romans 6-8 I am so excited to watch this, to see how Torbin is excited ,not about himself but about what God is doing. 1 But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. David repentance is exactly what Torben preaches. Street preacher accused of smuggling arms from Mexico. And treat His holy things as HOLY? The Jews did not APPROVE of the UNACCEPTABLE AND UNEXPECTED BEHAVIOR of Jesus Christ..therefore did not RECOGNIZE nor BELIEVE WHO HE WAS and did not want Him to be their King. The practices of Rick Joyners school and Bill Johnsons are very similar. These are NOT demon possessed, but they are SURROUNDED and being INFLUENCED AND/OR ATTACKED because of their unrepentant sins, disobedience, and lack of knowledge about HOLINESS AND TOTAL SUBMISSION TO THE HOLY SPIRIT. Luke, the beloved physician shows the Lord`s pity, His grace, His considerate care & tender touch, His sincere sympathy & loving look, His mercy & compassion all blended into perfect harmony in one person our Lord & Saviour, Jesus Christ. Torben Sndergaard is founder of The Last Reformation, a movement that has spread all around the world the last few years. See article on biblical explanation of. Barry I am that lady!! For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. Share on whatsapp. The bogus so called leg lengthening trick pulled off by the magicians is THE COPYCAT -never the other way around. His Kinship (relational) was expressed epressed Matthew, His Heirship in Mark, His Mediatorship in Luke & His Judgeship in John. Based on just the video alone, we cannot verify whether these healings are genuine or not. Thats it. Are FEARMONGERS walking by the Holy Spirit? We need Bible-based Spirit-filled believers who know how to lead in love and truth, not arrogantly or obsessively and not teaching junk food. Jhn 17:15 NASB I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but (I ask You) TO KEEP THEM FROM THE EVIL ONE. They left for the U.S. with only what they could carry in eight suitcases. Somebody asked about Bill Johnson He is the current Mayor of WIERDSVILLE or at least Deputy Mayor! What is wrong with people? In 1995, he committed his life to Christ and felt God calling him to ministry. Especially when it starts out with leg lengthening which seems to have been one of the frauds / hucksters favorite tricks. I may have been a bit unclear in my position regarding what Chas 351 has said. Dear Barry .here is a quote from your post. That is never proof of anything in Gods eyes. Attributing some of the esoteric and bizzare paychotic behavior manifestations of the historic revivals ( which was highly suspect in the eyes of most revival leaders of previous generations) AS NORMAL. Just because Torben says he is doing this in the name of Jesus, doesnt mean he is actually doing it in the name of Jesus. Actually it was the Pharisees that were always questioning Jesus trying to nitpick all the wrong things He was doing. Upon Sndergaard's arrival in the U.S. in 2019, he immediately applied for asylum and set up his residence in California while he grew his ministry. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. It had all turned into an idolatrous commotion a long time ago and the presence of God left the house they dont know they are playing with fire new age spirits which are actually the same devils of Hinduism, Buddhism etc. You wrote: Paul was using both water and Spirit so many times in his epistles. Have you forgotten that Paul also said, For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. (1 Corinthians 1:17). In Jesus name we pray ! It is not a matter of pooh-poohing miracles, not at all for I have seen the Spirit of God at work, as have so many many believers, but it would never have even dawned on me to get a video camera and if that thought ever came to me I would have to say get thee behind me Satan for thou hast not in mind the things of God but the things of man. Spiritual warfare against demons are often focused on too much where true spiritual warfare requires heart healing, denying lies and walking in truth. ! (Luke 22: 51) Unfortunately, my blog has been down for a bit, and I havent had a chance to get it back up. Should we not be of the same mind? That is how Jesus does what He wants to do thru us. (e.g. I want to speak to God in an unknown language as well! Its called jealously, wanting somethingthat someone else has (all be it unbiblical and totally ungodly). Jesus shows us TRUE FAITH. Why Jonathan Cahn and His Revelations Must be, Stephan Joubert se Deurlees van die Boek Openbaring, Terms and Conditions for Submission of Comments, Freemasonry / Ordo Novum Seclorum / Illuminati, Exposed: Holy Spirit vs Unholy Spirit of Fire. It is finished. And this growing awareness of the many gifts and parts of the body has opened a window on seeing Christ in others, it is truly humbling. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his [other] flesh. Barry, prior to the statement above, you mentioned how Jesus would do things in a certain way, which would bring out the skeptics. Past revivals, like doves dung, are excellent fertilizer as we study its revelations, but we are to SEEK FRESH REVELATION in each generation. In the NT, Jesus is dealing with 1 demoniac at a time.in one instance (the herd of pigs incident) there were 2 demoniacs. The prophet Isaiah said, arise and let your light shine.. . The arm had been totally severed at the shoulder. The devil visited Jesus, just as the devil visits us in one form or another. At the instant their hands touched, a flash of dynamic power went through my person and through the sick woman, and as my friend held her hand, the shock of power passed through her hand into him. There may have been those that didnt respond in love and in a true biblical manner to honestly test the spirits, but to generalize anyone who didnt believe the video as true biblical healing as a cynic was wrong to do. You mean well but you are not. Im really excited about God doing miracles in EvangelismBut like someone else already pointed out: Shouldnt one also combine these Healings with the Gospel of Repentance? Thank you so much Andrew for sharing these videos with us. Or, would he just rebuke the illness, and be on to the next person? And even the weaker among us serve a purpose in testing the character of the stronger..oh my, yes, how we treat our weaker members tells a tale, thats for sure. It confuses me right now, but hopefully it will clear up later, when I read more. preached. Torben in that instance yes, because their baptism was a baptism unto repentance, now they had to be baptised by the Holy Spirit into believing in Christ Jesus. Jhn 17:18 NASB As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. After watching the second video, I can see the value of praying with people after talking to them about Jesus. In other words, you did not know the cause and effect of things, and thought you were doing it in your own power, not pointing people to Him. We should let the Lord direct people in their belief. As proof of the spiritual authenticity of Torbens healings, you rely upon multitudes of people supporting your position. 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