In addition, all pagan faiths can be reformed. However, you may convert to an organized religion and change the succession law to the more useful (regular) gavelkind. JavaScript is disabled. I changed my mind about divine marriage doctrine, it actually allows us to breed new bloodlines fairly easy into our dynasty. Holy Sites: Reformed pagans will gain a sudden bonus to their conversion rates. Each temple looted in a raid gives +1% to moral authority. You hardly get Short year penalty with Imperial succession. There are no Hellenic rulers at any start date, but Hellenism can be revived in several ways: There is one special pagan faith that normally only appears in-game as the listed religion of long-dead historical figures. Autonomous leadership is only good if you need neither GHWs nor excommunications. (There is one exception. It has its downsides because it makes AI more aggressive and incompetent AI can tank our MA very hard. The only issue is there is a bug (Snow Crystal pretty much confirmed it's a bug) such that the religious head can never be venerated. Traits inherited from unreformed religion. Intermarry Buddhist, Zoroastrian group. You must log in or register to reply here. The faith is widespread in early starting dates, and some of the realms, such as Croatia, are already feudal rather than tribal. I may found bridge from new DLC's teaser. The Short Reign penalty is reduced to merely double the normal amount for Germanic pagans among the same Germanic faith, but Old Germanic pagans will have the full -45 penalty in addition to the heretic penalty. The selection of Leadership style determines the type of religious head. The reformed Pagan religions are usually pretty nice. A generic Pagan faith is used in the history files to represent everyone from pre-Christian Irish kings to pre-Islamic Arabs. Characters get a Rite of Passage when reaching adulthood. I can't disagree strongly enough with this. Crusader Kings is a historical grand strategy / RPG video game series for PC, Mac, Linux, PlayStation 5 & Xbox Series X|S developed & published by Paradox Interactive. Thread starter Mr. Moonlight; Start date Sep 13, . choosing Polygamy for Hellenism, which has no access to concubinage or choosing the Children of Perun doctrine to make use of major Russian rivers to transport armies). Hellenic paganism was the faith of the Greco-Roman world before the rise of Christianity. The other side of the coin is that peace is seen as unbecoming. Aztec religion only appears in-game if Sunset Invasion DLC is in use. They must switch to elective gavelkind if they wish to declare Subjugation or Tribal Invasion wars. But it's because I favor Unyielding nature, and those two don't work well together. Inversely, it is much easier for organized religions to convert pagans. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Synergies, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/holy-fury-reformation-doctrine-list.1115209/. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igw2ec-Lp6c, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZVIEA1cbSo, UNITED STATES - The Cathar United States of Byzantium and Carpathia, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/regional-livonian-mod.849150/. They can easily convert provinces by pillaging every holding in a province. With A Crown Of Thorns, You Became My King Forever. This is just a bonus I found by accident. Pont Valentr Press J to jump to the feed. - can ask the leader of this realm to help convert the tribal leader's realm to the organized religion.Benefactor needs to be non-tribal, non-nomadic, non-theocracy (so you can't ask Pope for mass conversion . Equality can be achieved with enough tech by the year 950+ . The likelihood of getting a Venerated Ancestor is also somewhat dependent on what other doctrines you've taken - some combinations make getting a Venerated Ancestor extremely unlikely. Eastern Orthodoxy, Miaphysite Christianity, Allows sacrifice of thralls captured in raids, Allows sacrifice of courtiers to read entrails, Once per decade interpretation of stars by religious head or court chaplain if none exists, Education improvement synergy and Meliorism improvement synergy. Unyielding: This would be my number one if I had to chose. Reformed offensive pagans no longer lose prestige when at peace. Either Stettin, Wolgast, Rgen or Werle has a free holding, The count holding the chosen county is Germanic or Reformed Germanic, and accepts the creation. The only issue is there is a bug (Snow Crystal pretty much confirmed it's a bug). By PegaluxX, January 4, 2019 in Crusader Kings 2. However, it only applies to the homeland, and pagans have difficulty converting provinces due to low. Both my character and Christianity are based. Community Patch with Improved Genetics 2.0 and Other Mods, Pagan Ancestor and Sea King Bloodline Changes, https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Bloodline#Ancestor_Veneration_Bloodlines. +1 piety per month while at peace. Also I really wish we were given an "alert" for when Meliorism from Stability is ready :(. Possibility for a woman to take consorts is disallowed even if other traits should unlock it. You are using an out of date browser. If you have tribal government, it is recommended to choose either Agnatic Clans or Enatic Clans doctrine to avoid Gavelkind succession law. It is important to quickly convert vassals who still follow the old faith due to the large opinion penalty. Defining features in-game: Low-tech non-pagans have very low Supply Limit in Pagan counties. But if you want to expand, Unyielding is not that useful . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The other pagan faiths have a duke-level religious leader who becomes a vassal of the reforming ruler, similar to the Orthodox religion's patriarch. We also get your email address to automatically create an account for you in our website. For hellenic rome, warmongering, unrelenting, civilized and im not sure about the last one since the pontifex maximus was not very strong in his authority, having powers like fixing the calendar. You have to get a popemon or autocephaly for it though. If you want internal stability, pick Hierocratic and enjoy your excommunications. Enatic and Agnatic clans allow us to get open succession law which is super strong as we know from muslims. Independent lieges of this religion can construct pyramids. Bloodthirsty Gods is really useful once you get that bloodline that gives you prestige and piety for each sacrifice. If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion, levy & garrison bonus from Unyielding nature or offensive bonus of Unrelenting doctrine in the first doctrine slot, it is lost. These three are weird. No male in the council. Expect frequent raids and wars between realms that accept the new faith and those that reject it. However, invaders can negate the attrition by quickly building a fort in each province they enter, or by having Military Organization 4 in their capital. "Defensive" pagans gain a defensive bonus to their garrisons, forcing larger invasion forces to take their home territories. Harmonious expands our pool of talent but makes it harder to stack bloodlines due to disallowed cousin incest. Civilized already removes raised levies penalties to vassal opinion, and Hellenic can raid already. Holy sites: Balkh, Gilgit, Lhasa, Purang and Khotan. I like this feature but it's tough to convert others outside your realm. Feudal rulers bordering rivers will eventually increase their fort level to the point that Germanic pagans can no longer navigate those rivers. If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion, it is lost. I like equality. Access to Hermetic society. Can't agree with stability doctrine, tech and artifacts lower short reign penalty so it is not worth to take it, and as I said from my experience it is easy to overcome. However, the Tengri faith does not die out during the entire period of the game and there are always relatively strong rulers for it in the game. More posts you may like r/CrusaderKings Join 3 days ago CK2 6.4K 103 r/CrusaderKings 5 days ago Religious Control Mandate law is unavailable.AI rulers will not convert provinces. The Slavic faith is followed, as the name suggests, by the Slavic peoples of Europe. You want to play Sunni, because you can either get free learning or piety for even faster conquests. I usually take unyielding but in the future I think I'll go with Proselytizing. Is it really cheesy/gamey though? Reforming the religion removes these restrictions, allowing tribal rulers to use gavelkind and allowing feudal rulers to use primogeniture. For the reference https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Reformation, Nature: Two tiers here. Enatic clans is still good because vassal duchies wont merge every generation but they're infinitely worse than agnatic clans. (AI rulers are likely to accept the reformed religion if cynical, same dynasty as the reformer, or under control of a reformed ruler.) My personal experience with Venerated Ancestors has been extremely inconsistent. AI rulers are less likely to start wars, plots and factions. Penalties AI rulers will try to convert their provinces. Enatic-cognatic law is available. Also, your heir will very often be past childbearing age by the time they take the throne which, combined with the fertility debuff for unlanded characters is recipe for trouble and at best costs you the genius traits in many generations. The lack of a formal religious tradition means that pagans have a harder time spreading their faith outside pagan lands. Disagree. Its holy sites are scattered around the map but are mostly controlled by right religion, even in 1066 starting date. Holy sites: Novgorod (shared with Suomenusko), Kiev, Plock, Birlad, and Rugen (shared with Romuva). The new reformation system allows players to build their religion for their preferred play-style and to combine incompatible characteristics. However, it is good when you expanded before reformation, and want to settle down and rely more on our vassals and domain rather than stats of our ruler. Also Temporal gives u cool(gives tons of piety and prestige per month) lvl 4 artifact . I always found piety to be very uselful here, excommunication is a very powerful tool if you use it strategically. it isnt meant to be celtic pagan or any pagan religion in particular. Don't @ me, if you dis. With tribal mechanics, pagans cannot raise Tribal Organization very high without having severe relations penalty for tribal Unreformed Pagan vassals (-30 opinion with Absolute). Answered, CK2 (Crusader Kings II): Immortality Event ID and Guide, CK2 (Crusader Kings II): Strange Chest Item and Event Results. Hard to Convert. Stability is nice, but traveling Rivers without upkeep reduction is way more expensive than walking. Before patch 3.0, Hellenic paganism also fell into this category. Reforming a faith costs 750 piety. Religions to convert their provinces //ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Bloodline # Ancestor_Veneration_Bloodlines we also get your email address to automatically create an account you... 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