polo de eddie stranger things percuando son nulos los actos administrativos. They might turn on him for $$. Thank you. I guess maybe theres something to that witchcraft business after all, right? The only thing I know without a doubt is how sorry I feel for the families of Michael, Chris and Steve. In their new book, Damien Echols and Lorri Davis share a broad selection of their most effective rituals, meditations, and prayerspresented in terms accessible to all. If youre going to make these claims, back them up. Contrast that with the actual amount of school shootings. No, instead, they point to someone embracing ceremonial magic. I was that child, who grew up and still appreciates the music, art, fashion. I do hope youre right about Jason and Jessie, this story doesnt need any more death in it. Echols is literally a Satanist. . With influence and power comes responsibility. im not totally in the west Memphis 3 camp of theyre innocent, nor do I think that they are without a doubt guilty. I am neither for or against religion, I More Angels & Archangels: A Magician's Guide Best-selling author Damien Echols releases his newest book, Angels & Archangels: A Magician's Guide, for anyone seeking to enlist helping forces on the path of awakening. They got the same tattoos. Oops? If anyones to blame for the failure of the WMPD to consider Hobbs a suspect, its Pam and her family members, as well as the Clark/Ballard witnesses, who all failed to report serious allegations against him for more than 15 years after the murders. GUILTY! I just know hes guilty along with the other two drones. Ive watched this case unfold since May 6, heard,seen, and read enough to be as qualified, if not more, than any who comment here. No one in this world could ever convince me they were guilty and I assumed after thousands of pages of the docs that I was like Damien, I knew it all I bought the movies,books etcand Im not kidding you when I say I have 100s of the documents from the case file and sometimes spent 2 nights in a row without sleeping because I couldnt get it out of my mind..How wrong the sytem did these boys? I happen to think the creeps from Hollywood helped him out because they are also Satanists. My assertions are based on actual evidence but I guess its just not the evidence you like is it counselor? I urge all everyone to read the case files. boys thats mighty Christian of you all (there was one man in the movie the why shouldnt we think that you are actually a sick person with a criminal mind? I find it hard to believe that someone capable and sick enough to commit such an act could possibly contain himself for so long, unless he were incarcerated, or dead. Ug. I hate how everybody watches the documentaries and start saying stuff like you need to do more research, they are innocent and no evidence or my favorite you cant take Jesses coerced confession seriously he is retarted blah blah Really? so lets get this straight counselor trench needs to be a lawyer, district attorney, judge what not to start a page? To date, not one single court has ruled that any constitutional error occurred in the original trials. Jason & Damien have each other but I cant see Damien lasting with Lorri for any extended amount of time. Damien and Jason are pretty evil. Yet his followers just swallow the lies like so many Adderall. We now have #Pizzagate which reveals Satanism and child sexual abuse, rape, murder, and even canniablism of the victims. I dont know how I missed this one, but less than a month after this post, another child murderer was released (early) from prison. for not believing? but I know better. One last thing, we once were told to Echols has been married since 1999 to Lori Davis, a landscape architect first wrote to him on death row after seeing Paradise Lost and immediately concluding he was innocent. https://www.instagram.com/p/B9GfpG3nllH/ In fact, he has also written several books. Also, did you miss the part where I said Yep, I totally dont know what its like to grow up in a conservative small Christian town while having long hair, wearing all black and listening to metal. If people really want to solve this crime, these are the things they need to consider. Christian religions also talk of human sacrifice are they not reminded all the (LogOut/ What evidence beyond a reasonable doubt is there to place Jason Baldwin a the scene? Where do they do that at? I also just completed a small article about a data point many researchers have missedthe pentagram tattoo on the chest of Damien Echols. I didnt put words in your mouth. Not 1, not 2, but all 3 of them have no Alibi! cant stand these lowlife scum, or the dopey women who hang with them. But, I find it odd that she doesn't speak publicly about the case. You listed this as a reason, Im just asking you to back it up. Some are very chilling. If they did then I dont think they could say theyre Innocent and Id hope she wouldnt of married him if she knew? why hide the crime if you are going to walk bloody into a restaurant? to you. that denied them a fair trial locked up for life. Then She Married Him. Thats not even worth the pixels. Your a fukn robot. yes and i agree with trench reynolds analysis absolutely. This type of person loves to point out all of the glaring facts omitted from the documentary, proving how bias the film makers are. (Barry Chin/Boston Globe via Getty) Under the terms of an unusual plea deal, Echols, along with two other men who, pled guilty to murder . being developed although a lot of evidence is now lost. DAMIEN ECHOLS was born in 1974 and grew up in Mississippi, Tennessee, Maryland, Oregon, Texas, Louisiana, and Arkansas. do you honestly think the abusively strict misskelley sr would teach his low iq son to deceive the police? Colin Firth and Reese Witherspoon have been cast to star in the movie which is scheduled to . Clearly the jurors had preconceived The site where the victims were found some say that was a dumping site others say that was where all of it took place. http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/joehb.html#jhb. After that, the two had become penpals of sorts, corresponding regularly. You are all naive. Satanism, heavy metal music, Stephen King novels etc. I dont think we have anything to worry about with Jason & Jessie. Im sure you realize, with your vast experience and sharp intellect they werent saying that mr. Bojangles did it. HIs CSI certification? Their victims are dead Echols is a firm believer in black magick, and he's written books about how it saved his life when he was in prison. He wasnt cruel to animals. Basically, showing off for a girl. To keep believing that theyre innocent in the face of all logic is to believe in a conspiracy theory that is more flimsy than the 9/11 conspiracies. Michael Carson who testified against Jason was in juvenile with him a total of 6 days. In a nutshell, he fell in love with a girl who played around with the occult. Heiglian dialectic is the technique the 1% So where do you start. I mean, I see no plausible way to explain how no DNA from the convicted men was found at the scene or on/in the bodies, unless Damien used witchcraft to whisk away all traces of himself and his buddies. There was no need to strip the boys to hogtie them. even though jessie has a low he still managed to get some truth out there before and after his conviction so supporters dont try to say he was cruely interrogated for a long time that is just an urban legend. Im not one of those parents that drops her kids off and leaves. All of the WM3 gave numerous conflicting accounts of their whereabouts at the time of the murders. Not too sure youd make a good attorney there, Trench. They havent fooled me Trench. EcholsandBaldwin are definitely bloodthirsty,theres no doubt about it. Origin: Made in the USA or Imported. they took it because there wasnt anybody else to find and there wasnt any other evidence either. Occultic/coven/satanic in nature??? am amazed that John Mark Byers did not seem to be able to tell a truth no But you know, Im not going to sit here and say that they were railroaded for being weird, or blame the arrests on black clothes and Metallica. The wayall these highly-revered artists have abused their power,by putting their weight and money behind a case they so transparently didnt even bother properly researching, on the back of a single documentary,scares me beyond words. And if youre not an angsty teen please get an education. DNA does not lie!!! Jackson is a New Zealand-born director, writer, and producer with an Any money earned should go directly to the victims of this hidious murder of 3 inocent kids. Sorry but DNA evidence proves his innocence you jackass. -). Damien Echols was born in the United States to a poor family who receives frequent visits from social workers. He is guilty. They were convicted and their convictions were upheld even by the state Supreme Court. The boys were victims but so are the Memphis three. 1. Check the DNA evidence from 2007. This is why the innocence movement is so large. And that didnt happen in the original WM3 trial. So why dont you do every one a favor ? There is no information about his parents and siblings in the media. Sure not all these lies were not told in My post was also less about the WM3 and more about the possibility of someone else just because I know there was no reason to claim innocents on a board with a bunch of people stuck in the mindset that the American Judicial System is prevalent but its good to see you attack it anyway . There was no evidence that pointed to Byers or Hobbs, just conjecture. Not for their parents. Though the woman wasnt a child, she was carrying an unborn child at the time of their murder. Your statements are yet another example of why the American INjustice System cant work, because people get too wrapped in their feelings about cases..just like during the trials. ORDER RITUAL AMAZON BARNES & NOBLE BOOKSHOP INDIEBOUND SOUNDS TRUE HIGH MAGICK SHOP Dingir Cuffed Beanie $ 22.99 Dingir Long Sleeve T-Shirt $ 30.99 Dingir Unisex Hoodie $ 39.99 Endless opportunities. Even the worst writer would pick up a few things along the way. Nor, he has shared the details about his educational background. There is a general progression here when people learn about this case: 1) They watch Paradise Lost series and are probably convinced these kids were railroaded by small town cops for being weird. Does this make him guilty? I think someone has a little crush on Damian. The rights and the wrongs of the legal battles that have been fought over this case is one thing but getting to the bottom of who did this terrible attrocity is another. He strongly believes in black magick and has gone on record to say how it has saved his life. The shame of it is, those 3 little boys were completely forgotten in all the pageantry. As for the Wika religion and listening to Slayer and Metallica- more nonscence to fan the flames of that could have been me. Trench Reynolds used to believe in the West Memphis 3s innocence, but then he read a witness statement about Damien Echols killing a sick dog, and heard about a comment that Damien Echols made to Mr. Griffis about already having 3 for his coven. They all read pretty much the same. The first reason is that to me the West Memphis 3 fit the profile of school shooters.. I dont even think Klebold & Harris were as sick as Echols. He strongly believes in black magick and has gone on record to say how it has saved his life. Since theres a lot to read in there, Ill link you to an index which can help you with orientation. Echols recently started a podcast called Not Just Idle Chatter. You can listen to the podcast on YouTube here. Which leaves me with one question WTBFH have you been smoking??? No, they didnt do their time. out there, that talk of some weird occult stuff like human/animal Youre fucking embarrassingly uneducated if thats the first time youve encountered that fact. Hell the one who confessed was borderline mentally challenged. He has more love in his heart than you guys will ever allow yourselves to see. Believe it or not I stumbled across HBOs documentry on the Memphis 3 todayI had never heard of them before or studied their plightbut on the back of this i have been reading as much about it as I can all off the webMy conclusion is thisalthough there are many flaws in the American justice system sometimes people are guilty.you can pick fault in the police investigation or even the atmosphere and attitude of West Menphis but HBOs documentry was indictive of trial by media on behalve of the defense.It is easy to believe that all police are corrupt and that defendents are misrepresented or coerced..but not always.why didnt Baldwin take the stand and proclaim his innocence? First it was the Bojangles guy, then it was Mark Byers, now its Terry Hobbs. why was he not able to dismiss the accusations against him? Now, Ive read EVERY scrap of documentation over at Callahan. The Devils Knot is just more WM3 propaganda. Were the murders in any known ritualistic pattern that has been recorded from any known books? Of course not. I would. Echols' Exhibit 500 compiled BY His DEFENSE attorneys to avoid death penalty. He is also incredibly arrogant and cold and has not seen his mother nor interacted with his own son since he got out of prison, where he belongs. If Misskelley attempts to do an interview.hell confess again. He was civilly committed, but it was his choice, which means he can sign himself out at any time. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion. No, my children dont go into the homes of friends without me, their father, or one of their other (trusted) relatives. However, I am not at all convinced that any of the regular suspects (Byers, Hobbs, Bojangles, etc.) June 3, 1993 - Police arrest 18-year-old Damien Echols, 16-year-old Jason Baldwin, and 17-year-old Jessie Misskelley. Its common sense people. personaly I dont have any doubt in my mind, Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jesse Misskelley(along with others possibly) committed this attrocious act of deprevation on three innocent young boys. Stop the in-fighting with eachother (cause thats what they are hoping we will do instead of digging and uncovering the truth) if we are caddy, and fighting amongst ourselves nothing will get done. Stunning. and by alibi, i mean one that stood up in court? Thanks for listening Jules, and everyone else. If you dont see the difference, youre nuttier than Al. Dude, if you love investigating crime so much, sign up and study it properly and go for a job in crime scene investigation. It seems that 2011 is shaping up to be the year that child killers are released. Furthermore, the depravity laced, hate-filled comments directed at supporters of the WM3 is as disturbing as the apparent lack of intelligence one must possess to believe anything other than the complete innocence of the WM3. The story, as framedby Paradise Lost, contained all the right ingredients for the hip but angry, edgy but righteous artiste set. The problem is that the tunnel-vision created by that history never allowed them to look anywhere else. If you were so focused on the way these boys looked maybe you could see the actual facts and your opinion wouldnt get in the way so much. But in the same token the skewing of facts by the movie is obvious also, look at making a murderer, Stephen Avery is said to be innocent, but the movie left out a lot of facts to push this idea. But thats because I would also be innocent. When three young boys are murdered and dumped, hog-tied and naked in local woodland, provincial-minded police quickly focused, with scant evidence, on the teenagers as the likely perpetrators. Either way, doesnt bode well, especially if he gets bored of being in the shadow. Work! Learn how your comment data is processed. Im Terry Hobbs. You have all been fooled. Michael Moore, Steven Branch and Christopher Byers are not winners in this case. thats right, because you sheep cant believe anything unless it is spoon fed to you on tv. As for Echols cult of personality, Ive always felt he was remarkably uncharismatic for what he was trying to (and managed to) pull off. But my impression at the time the first doc aired was not that these elements were included in order to give the film a pro-WM3 spin but to simply add some complexity and dramatic tension to the narrative. Because Echols was a bit of an outcast? Domini Alia Teer now is popular for being the Ex-girlfriend of Damien Echols. (I believe I made a funny there. Lets see, how about his history of violence, his psychotic episodes, his multiple commitments to mental institutions, the animal abuse, his bragging about the murders, testifying how he would have committed the crimes, blowing kisses in the courtroom, Miskellys multiple confessions even after conviction, and his conviction being held up by the Arkansas Supreme Court multiple times. ). Its detecting large amounts of copy and paste in this comment. so maybe you should send some love letters to your pals in the slammer and use that higher education that you insinuate you have to end capital punishment once and for all. Does it occur to any of you that a rational position would be that the trial was a travesty, that new evidence does add additional doubt, and yet that it is still impossible to be reasonably certain the WM3 are innocent? Celebrities, interviews, women, The film chronicled the trials of Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jessie Misskelley - the so-called West Memphis Three, a trio of Arkansan teenage metalheads. Wow. He had the IQ of a 10 year old, was told he could get a new truck if he testified, and was questioned for roughly twelve hours only two segments, totaling 46 minutes, were recorded. He said they had been shown a photograph of the three boys on their bikes at a cult meeting prior to the murders (see his confessions at http://wm3truth.com). Traversing trippy worlds inside his universe simulator, a space caster explores existential questions about life, death and everything in between. Are you saying school shootings didnt occur until 5 or 10 years later? Yeah, like Riordan is an impartial source. Not one shred of evidence will support Damien, Jason, or Jessie on the victims or at the crime scene. Echols when on trial did every thing he could to get convicted besides saying he did it. I was actually going to respond to this then I saw your handle and I realized that speaks for itself. Believe what you want, but please do sum actually research people. I personally suspect that the people who made the original Paradise Lost documentary for HBO were surprised to see it spur a celebrity led movement to free the WM3. It means a lot. Plain and simple. They challenged forensic findings and witness statements, uncovered new Any other evidence of it that Im not thinking to ask about? Where was the investigation on him? That means that while you dont plead guilty you plead that you believe that the prosecution has enough evidence to convict you. PEOPLE PLEAD GUILTY WHEN THEY ARENT ALL THE TIME, JEFF. Powered by WordPress.com VIP. Welcome to the year 2012. ill bet he even sent jesse jr to the cops to confess after all he just beatup one boy real bad and baldwin and echols cut them and drown them. I feel a bit weird writing all these thoughts down, as I havea feeling Echols is googling stuff like this in between selling his Free at Last t-shirts from Facebook. I know im sending this late in the game but I dont know what the fuss is all about. Item Number (DPCI): 247-27-9264. Until 2007 when it was found I believed they did it, but now its impossible to believe. A fiber that might of came from a robe or a shirt is not that strong. There actually was quite a bit of evidence pointing toward these convicted killers who have now voluntarily plead guilty in exchange for their get out of jail free cards. He will likely confess on his death bed and have a good laugh. He left out sooooo much more. read his two bookshes a egotistical sociopath..and he admits one creepy video, that he licked bloodlook it up on youtube. Your article is ignorant and poorly written. I am not at all convinced that the convicted were responsible there was NOTHING BUT reasonable doubt. If the supporters keep up with trying to get their names cleared, its going to backfire on them. During testimony Echols testified how he would have committed the killings if he was the killer. Jesus fucking Christ, Even I could fucking testify on how I would have committed the killings if I were the killer but I definitely didnt do it cos I was 12 years old and living in England. 500, could you honestly say you would be fine with this? The one thing that will never clear the WM3 names is the simple Fact that none of the 3 have Alibis and all 3 of them are Compulsive Liars. I totally agree with this article. Or the Jacoby guy who is friends with Hobbs and still says hes lying? Why didnt the cops get really suspicious if they knew the had weird guy covered in mud and blood in the local Bojangles and three missing little boys? COVICTED CHILD MURDERERS!!! As an antisocial teenager, have you killed dogs as well, stomping them, like Damien did? When three 8-year-old boys Stevie Branch, Michael Moore and Christopher . if all of those millions of dollars couldnt find anyone other than them that met the criteria i used then you are stupid if you say they are innocent. In the 6 months that he has been out, why is he moving a lot? The fiber evidence, his criminal history both before and after the murders, his drug use, his not sticking by his wife in the weeks after the boys bodies were discovered, the pocket knife Pam found. That was a waste of three minutes off my life. There is a major problem with this unfortunate situation which resulted in three young 8 yr old boys being beaten to death. I was contacted by one of the victims family members, not the suspects. 122k Followers, 1,540 Following, 4 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Damien Echols (@damienechols) Thanks! GUILTY. And that is what I believe is at the Heart of the problem with this whole thing. And while its true that the trios attorneys did initiate the Alford plea, its also true that the State accepted it. Hollingsworth saying that he would be next to be arrested after he heard that Damien had been arrested (information on all these points also at website listed above). Why don't you come back when you're a little less fanatical m'kay? ?you are trying to say that only 1 person witnessed this?? Being in the medical profession, what I go back to again and again are the medical records that outline a very ill individual. Damien Echols Sounds True, Jul 14, 2020 - Body, Mind & Spirit - 288 pages 0 Reviews Reviews aren't verified, but Google checks for and removes fake content when it's identified Learn to call. Nope, theyre 100% guilty. Are those enough reasons for you? But above all a human being who no longer chooses willful ignorance. In the friendliest way possible, May I suggest you sir, perhaps watch too much CSI and spend way too much time reading unsolved cases. ALOT OF KIDS ARE CREEPY IT DOES NOT MEAN HES GUILTY..and a bogus inconsistent confession from a retarded teenager?? I especially like this:I dont even think Klebold & Harris were as sick as Echols. One month later, three teenagers - Jessie Misskelley Jr, Damien Echols, and Jason Baldwin - were charged with murdering the three second-graders. Maybe for his familys safety while he visits, as well. But, Im also interested if anybody can point me to evidence I think you are the real killer. It is full of doubt and uncertainty. The second reason is that Damien Echols was a known animal abuser who not only bragged about killing animals but a witness even testified about how Echols violently killed a sick dog. what was their alibi? Its been several years and Echols has a You tune channel. Youre screwing up our brainstorm here.. Why do prisoners Though if hed had a better family, they wouldve worked harder to help him with his many mental issues, which maybecouldve prevented something like this from happening. Know the facts because they are present unlike your stupid opinion!!!! Ill give him that. relatives he had lost and to do this he would need to forgive (there is a true Omg it all makes sense! You may as well have gone all out and mentioned blood rituals and sacrificial slayings as well. I think anyone on here posting anything negative towards the WM3 have got to be just as sick as the one(s) truly responsible for the murders of them innocent little boys. They lived in. movies made glamorizing them, they were untouchable. He is an actor and producer, known for West of Memphis (2012), Paradise Lost 3: Purgatory (2011) and Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills (1996). Its just my opinion after all. To your responders that say Echols will slip again soon, maybe so. They were all there. wow johnny depp must be having a hard time in holllywood along with eddie veder cause they cant make enough money. Everyone always overlooks the fact the 1 of the boys had proof that they had been at a school wrestling match. About the Book . Its too bad DNA analysis was evidently not up to par at that time to determine whose blood it belonged to. those 3 little boys did not shove any of the supporters into the locker. there belief of the power or symbol of 3 that any good or bad that you put out No alibi? Lorri Davis Saw Accused Murderer Damien Echols in a True Crime Doc. He spent 18 years in prison, convicted of the murders of three 8-year-old boys in . After she finally dumped him for good he thought he was going to end up stuck in trailer park hell forever so he raged & jumped the shark (anti-depressants & alcohol helped this happen) and took Jason & Jessie along with him. P.S. I dont know whats going to happen next. so there ya go, and i dont even have to touch on the numerous confessions by the selectively retarded misskelly. You guys can keep denying hard evidence if you want, and rely on what is BARELY circumstantial evidence if you want, but Im choosing the go with science, over coincidence, circumstance, and religious Dogma. BTW, Im not calling myself a journalist. we just want the majority to know the truth. You are aware that Damien Echols is an unmedicated bipolar schizophrenic that was admitted 3 times to the psych hospital in the year before killing the little boys. The fact that you called someone retarded just blows my mind. WHY are there no phone records??? I am a supporter of the WM3. My kids occasionally go with their grandparents, but theyre with them the entire time. Pressure tactics, induced stress (all if which are legal to do as a police interrogator btw), Not sure why you posted that as a response to that particular comment (had nothing to do with WM3, but everything to do with the first paragraph of the OP), but OK. Come on peoplethe first trial alone should have never happened to begin with. Thanks for taking the time to read this. He was raped in jail. Unsolved puzzles intrigue me tho and I needed to fill in some blanks. PATHETIC!!!!! as a root to base their movie on to discredit the Arkansas prossecution. YOu said everything I wanted to say. The single only thing that makes me question the WM3s innocence is the fact that I have not been able to dredge up info about similar crimes within reasonable proximity over the past 20 years. I dont think we will because Echols isnt stupid and knows how to handle fame. You dont think at all the black man who was covered in blood at Mr Bojangles had nothing to do with it?!?! 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